1 00:00:15,189 --> 00:00:05,630 [Music] 2 00:00:17,140 --> 00:00:15,199 welcome to the hidden truth show podcast 3 00:00:19,930 --> 00:00:17,150 were Rhian are investigating the Las 4 00:00:22,450 --> 00:00:19,940 Vegas shooting this week's guest was 5 00:00:23,620 --> 00:00:22,460 Mike tur burr he's an investigative 6 00:00:26,170 --> 00:00:23,630 journalist 7 00:00:29,050 --> 00:00:26,180 he's a cybersecurity expert he's 8 00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:29,060 formerly of the Air Force where he was 9 00:00:33,310 --> 00:00:31,310 an electronic operation specialist and 10 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:33,320 he's a former senior intelligence 11 00:00:38,650 --> 00:00:36,170 analyst he shares with us incredible 12 00:00:41,140 --> 00:00:38,660 details from the Las Vegas shooting he's 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:41,150 been investigating it from day one he's 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:43,370 also been in touch with Eric paddock the 15 00:00:47,380 --> 00:00:44,810 brother of the shooter who is speaking 16 00:00:49,569 --> 00:00:47,390 to no one but Mike tur burr so for those 17 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:49,579 of you fascinating by fascinated by the 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:51,890 shooting still trying to figure out what 19 00:00:57,729 --> 00:00:54,530 happened in why Mike turbo provides 20 00:01:01,000 --> 00:00:57,739 incredible inside details to provide 21 00:01:03,459 --> 00:01:01,010 those answers however he raises the 22 00:01:06,190 --> 00:01:03,469 additional question who exactly is he 23 00:01:06,850 --> 00:01:06,200 how is he getting access to this 24 00:01:09,789 --> 00:01:06,860 information 25 00:01:11,949 --> 00:01:09,799 who is he working for we try to get 26 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:11,959 those answers from him check this out 27 00:01:15,789 --> 00:01:13,969 and if you enjoy it check out the hidden 28 00:01:18,730 --> 00:01:15,799 truth show podcast for the full episode 29 00:01:21,730 --> 00:01:18,740 it has finding motive been one of your 30 00:01:23,169 --> 00:01:21,740 objectives definitely okay very early on 31 00:01:24,999 --> 00:01:23,179 and that's one of the key things you 32 00:01:26,469 --> 00:01:25,009 start looking for right away once you 33 00:01:29,499 --> 00:01:26,479 have that then you can then you know 34 00:01:31,059 --> 00:01:29,509 which way to look you know and in which 35 00:01:33,969 --> 00:01:31,069 way to look backwards and to try to 36 00:01:35,620 --> 00:01:33,979 learn from it and and what have you so 37 00:01:38,199 --> 00:01:35,630 so give us your best thoughts on motive 38 00:01:40,089 --> 00:01:38,209 right now I think the motive when it 39 00:01:43,660 --> 00:01:40,099 comes out it's going to be a combination 40 00:01:47,019 --> 00:01:43,670 of paddock losing amount of money over 41 00:01:48,489 --> 00:01:47,029 time that'll be a component of it not 42 00:01:50,409 --> 00:01:48,499 having the same lifestyle that he had 43 00:01:53,339 --> 00:01:50,419 before and what-have-you I think that 44 00:01:57,940 --> 00:01:53,349 that's another partial component to it 45 00:02:00,399 --> 00:01:57,950 and then you know as far as a religious 46 00:02:01,809 --> 00:02:00,409 component he wasn't religious as far as 47 00:02:04,179 --> 00:02:01,819 a political component it wasn't really 48 00:02:06,069 --> 00:02:04,189 political this is based on information I 49 00:02:10,059 --> 00:02:06,079 have you know as close to the source as 50 00:02:13,089 --> 00:02:10,069 possible so with that in mind it's just 51 00:02:16,060 --> 00:02:13,099 a guy that got mad he lost his lawsuit 52 00:02:18,430 --> 00:02:16,070 he's mad at all these other things plus 53 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:18,440 he has probably lost 54 00:02:21,310 --> 00:02:19,490 you're referring to the slip-and-fall 55 00:02:22,990 --> 00:02:21,320 yeah the slip and fall on suit but that 56 00:02:24,820 --> 00:02:23,000 was against cosmopolitan which it was 57 00:02:26,890 --> 00:02:24,830 not the same company exactly not same 58 00:02:29,380 --> 00:02:26,900 company but I'd there's a certain point 59 00:02:31,030 --> 00:02:29,390 where people just view you know gambling 60 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:31,040 and casinos all and they put them all on 61 00:02:36,220 --> 00:02:33,170 one big bucket well but hold on on that 62 00:02:38,740 --> 00:02:36,230 because you know supposedly he scoped 63 00:02:41,590 --> 00:02:38,750 out life is beautiful he scoped out 64 00:02:43,420 --> 00:02:41,600 Lollapalooza not casino related Fenway 65 00:02:46,420 --> 00:02:43,430 Park not casino related Santa Monica 66 00:02:48,130 --> 00:02:46,430 Pier not Casino related so I end up yeah 67 00:02:49,620 --> 00:02:48,140 I end up getting stuck a little bit 68 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:49,630 because I kind of like this retribution 69 00:02:54,970 --> 00:02:52,130 against the casinos because now he's 70 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:54,980 losing and against Vegas in general but 71 00:03:00,070 --> 00:02:57,490 that he was playing those other things 72 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:00,080 right yeah and there there's several 73 00:03:04,540 --> 00:03:02,090 possible reasons for in the end they're 74 00:03:08,050 --> 00:03:04,550 all stretches one of the stretches that 75 00:03:11,170 --> 00:03:08,060 I came up with is that if you're how do 76 00:03:13,870 --> 00:03:11,180 you study or how do you plan an attack 77 00:03:15,850 --> 00:03:13,880 on a specific event if the event hasn't 78 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:15,860 happened if you're not you know you 79 00:03:20,050 --> 00:03:17,570 you're not gonna go to the previous 80 00:03:22,479 --> 00:03:20,060 years and year if you're slowly develop 81 00:03:24,580 --> 00:03:22,489 this plan so you're gonna go to other 82 00:03:26,229 --> 00:03:24,590 events and study their security and and 83 00:03:28,420 --> 00:03:26,239 try to look for things that are similar 84 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:28,430 that's a possible that's a stretch but 85 00:03:34,090 --> 00:03:30,530 that's that is a possibility the other 86 00:03:35,590 --> 00:03:34,100 thing is there's a word for a camera or 87 00:03:38,770 --> 00:03:35,600 the word for where people just hate 88 00:03:40,060 --> 00:03:38,780 humans you know I think that's going to 89 00:03:42,970 --> 00:03:40,070 be a part of it because he was 90 00:03:45,970 --> 00:03:42,980 narcissistic he was controlling he was 91 00:03:47,710 --> 00:03:45,980 he had all these attributes that you 92 00:03:50,830 --> 00:03:47,720 would think of a person that might just 93 00:03:52,570 --> 00:03:50,840 eventually hate people and that's the 94 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:52,580 very good possibility and it just could 95 00:03:58,229 --> 00:03:53,410 be as simple as that 96 00:04:01,660 --> 00:03:58,239 yeah well or someone wanting notoriety 97 00:04:06,670 --> 00:04:01,670 any type of notoriety again narcissistic 98 00:04:09,940 --> 00:04:06,680 personality to go out as the pages were 99 00:04:12,340 --> 00:04:09,950 greatest largest mass murderer an 100 00:04:14,979 --> 00:04:12,350 American modern American history and be 101 00:04:16,479 --> 00:04:14,989 that dad huh and eat your dead exactly 102 00:04:19,180 --> 00:04:16,489 oh you know we've talked about that on 103 00:04:21,130 --> 00:04:19,190 the show quite a bit daddy issues you 104 00:04:24,909 --> 00:04:21,140 know we know that dad FBI most wanted 105 00:04:27,219 --> 00:04:24,919 list known Psychopaths presumably patek 106 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:27,229 and either inherited some of that or 107 00:04:31,450 --> 00:04:29,690 developed it maybe developed it in part 108 00:04:31,870 --> 00:04:31,460 because not having the love of your 109 00:04:33,610 --> 00:04:31,880 father 110 00:04:38,230 --> 00:04:33,620 you're gonna replicate the behaviors of 111 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:38,240 your father that whole thing so yeah I 112 00:04:41,650 --> 00:04:39,530 think that the answer is probably 113 00:04:43,570 --> 00:04:41,660 wrapped up somewhere and all that I 114 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:43,580 think so too and in the kind of explains 115 00:04:46,930 --> 00:04:45,410 you know we had an early expert on here 116 00:04:49,150 --> 00:04:46,940 on lone wolf shooting who said that he'd 117 00:04:51,700 --> 00:04:49,160 never seen a case before where the lone 118 00:04:53,770 --> 00:04:51,710 wolf didn't leave some type of note some 119 00:04:55,870 --> 00:04:53,780 manifesto some indication you know 120 00:04:58,150 --> 00:04:55,880 usually they want people to know why 121 00:05:00,490 --> 00:04:58,160 they did this and this might be just a 122 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:00,500 circumstance where like you said he 123 00:05:05,110 --> 00:05:02,330 hates people he doesn't he doesn't give 124 00:05:07,050 --> 00:05:05,120 a [\h__\h] about what people he doesn't need 125 00:05:10,060 --> 00:05:07,060 to tell the meaning what the message is 126 00:05:12,070 --> 00:05:10,070 what he did that is the mess he broke 127 00:05:13,930 --> 00:05:12,080 the mold when it comes to this type of a 128 00:05:16,090 --> 00:05:13,940 situation he broke the mold there's no 129 00:05:21,220 --> 00:05:16,100 one else in history that has been like 130 00:05:23,230 --> 00:05:21,230 this that we know that I know of and you 131 00:05:24,910 --> 00:05:23,240 know was not having a manifesto not 132 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:24,920 having a note not having anything nuts 133 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:28,010 not calling someone and saying bye or 134 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:30,530 you know any of that stuff you have to 135 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:32,810 wonder and what was going through his 136 00:05:39,370 --> 00:05:35,930 mind I mean what was it and the that is 137 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:39,380 the key problem that the BAU is having 138 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:41,450 you know I think there's about 20-25 139 00:05:45,940 --> 00:05:44,690 people or so on that unit and you know I 140 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:45,950 could imagine sitting around a 141 00:05:50,490 --> 00:05:48,410 roundtable meeting listening to all the 142 00:05:54,220 --> 00:05:50,500 ideas being bounced back and forth and 143 00:05:55,930 --> 00:05:54,230 then the ends you still don't know and 144 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:55,940 it's gonna be very difficult till to 145 00:05:59,740 --> 00:05:57,770 swallow if they if they come out and say 146 00:06:01,420 --> 00:05:59,750 well you know what we think it's a bunch 147 00:06:04,540 --> 00:06:01,430 of things and I think that's what's 148 00:06:07,330 --> 00:06:04,550 gonna be on the money issue what are you 149 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:07,340 hearing about also potentially having 150 00:06:12,970 --> 00:06:10,370 the IRS coming after him 151 00:06:16,630 --> 00:06:12,980 that wasn't that's not that big of an 152 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:16,640 issue he didn't have that as a as a big 153 00:06:23,020 --> 00:06:19,310 problem one of the things that I 154 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:23,030 mentioned to his brother was that yeah 155 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:24,410 we should note that you've had multiple 156 00:06:29,530 --> 00:06:26,090 communications with Eric Vatican 157 00:06:32,020 --> 00:06:29,540 absolutely and in talking with with him 158 00:06:34,690 --> 00:06:32,030 and one of the that subject came up and 159 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:34,700 I told I said I wonder if he was playing 160 00:06:40,060 --> 00:06:38,000 under Mary Lou Dan Lee's card you know 161 00:06:41,350 --> 00:06:40,070 if he was using that and the machines 162 00:06:42,670 --> 00:06:41,360 maybe to gain her calm points or 163 00:06:44,740 --> 00:06:42,680 whatever I wonder if you know we're 164 00:06:47,050 --> 00:06:44,750 gonna have a problem there with the 165 00:06:48,460 --> 00:06:47,060 with a form going to her so you know 166 00:06:49,270 --> 00:06:48,470 that that might be a slight issue or 167 00:06:51,130 --> 00:06:49,280 something like that but I don't think 168 00:06:54,610 --> 00:06:51,140 that obviously would play out in the 169 00:06:56,350 --> 00:06:54,620 bigger picture you know but as far as 170 00:06:58,180 --> 00:06:56,360 the IRS is concerned I don't think there 171 00:07:00,280 --> 00:06:58,190 was an issue that's pretty much been 172 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:00,290 subtle this but it's going it's ongoing 173 00:07:03,970 --> 00:07:02,930 it's it's in in court now there's 49 174 00:07:04,900 --> 00:07:03,980 counts a few weeks ago and they had 175 00:07:06,970 --> 00:07:04,910 dropped it to 12 176 00:07:08,380 --> 00:07:06,980 some accounts were intertwined with the 177 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:08,390 mother and things like that so they got 178 00:07:13,450 --> 00:07:10,610 rid of that sorry these things that are 179 00:07:17,050 --> 00:07:13,460 going on now these are IRS issues that 180 00:07:18,130 --> 00:07:17,060 were taking place before October 1st no 181 00:07:20,020 --> 00:07:18,140 I don't know if it was taking place 182 00:07:21,940 --> 00:07:20,030 before October 1st I think it's just 183 00:07:23,740 --> 00:07:21,950 that it's like a settlement you know 184 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:23,750 getting down to the final it's just like 185 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:25,730 when well saddling his estate selling is 186 00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:27,170 the state yeah and getting that taken 187 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:28,910 care of but you're not hearing about any 188 00:07:33,790 --> 00:07:31,610 IRS issues that he had before the 189 00:07:35,860 --> 00:07:33,800 shooting even if I did I wouldn't be 190 00:07:38,260 --> 00:07:35,870 able to expand on it because I did 191 00:07:40,980 --> 00:07:38,270 that's an area that I would leave to and 192 00:07:44,740 --> 00:07:40,990 how good is the evidence of his losses 193 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:44,750 well I mean as far as the losses are 194 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:47,690 concerned it's the I think they brought 195 00:07:52,930 --> 00:07:48,890 him down to around five hundred thirty 196 00:07:54,490 --> 00:07:52,940 thousand as a final net you know when 197 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:54,500 we're looking at the estate we're 198 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:55,850 talking about a half a million dollar 199 00:08:00,790 --> 00:07:58,610 estate right now that's cash or that's 200 00:08:02,530 --> 00:08:00,800 properties or I think that was that was 201 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:02,540 basically cash and then the built back 202 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:04,010 the properties back into it you'll go 203 00:08:07,570 --> 00:08:05,930 back over that the two properties that 204 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:07,580 are out there I don't think have had any 205 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:10,130 any offers or any tangible offers on 206 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:13,250 them yet and those properties when sold 207 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:15,530 the the proceeds from that will go 208 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:17,240 directly to the victims that's according 209 00:08:21,130 --> 00:08:19,310 to the family right so with the 210 00:08:23,110 --> 00:08:21,140 properties and the cash though he had at 211 00:08:25,060 --> 00:08:23,120 least be worth a million bucks yeah you 212 00:08:26,469 --> 00:08:25,070 would think at least that there's 213 00:08:29,650 --> 00:08:26,479 probably more out there somewhere that 214 00:08:32,670 --> 00:08:29,660 we you know we don't know about versus 215 00:08:36,130 --> 00:08:32,680 the the person doing the final on that 216 00:08:38,620 --> 00:08:36,140 but as far as what his final net worth 217 00:08:40,980 --> 00:08:38,630 would be I would say over a million 218 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:40,990 would be accurate under two might be 219 00:08:47,500 --> 00:08:43,450 something that range might be accurate 220 00:08:49,210 --> 00:08:47,510 with the house so but there still had 221 00:08:51,370 --> 00:08:49,220 have been something seriously wrong with 222 00:08:54,460 --> 00:08:51,380 his brain you had to be suffering from 223 00:08:58,420 --> 00:08:54,470 well some something well I agree I agree 224 00:09:00,210 --> 00:08:58,430 and early on one of the very first 225 00:09:01,930 --> 00:09:00,220 very first week or so one of the things 226 00:09:03,970 --> 00:09:01,940 that anyone in the intelligence 227 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:03,980 community does is you look for patterns 228 00:09:09,670 --> 00:09:07,370 you try to look for pattern and find out 229 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:09,680 okay where this is going and where it 230 00:09:13,660 --> 00:09:10,250 came from 231 00:09:17,230 --> 00:09:13,670 and in the case of Steven paddock there 232 00:09:20,199 --> 00:09:17,240 was a pattern and that pattern I believe 233 00:09:22,030 --> 00:09:20,209 that's my belief in my opinion and 234 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:22,040 that's not a fact 235 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:25,370 the fact is that his doctor did diagnose 236 00:09:31,449 --> 00:09:29,450 him as being bipolar and with his doctor 237 00:09:34,990 --> 00:09:31,459 being on retainer which is something I 238 00:09:37,060 --> 00:09:35,000 had never really heard it before he 239 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:37,070 basically got the medication that he 240 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:38,930 desired not necessarily the medication 241 00:09:43,420 --> 00:09:40,970 that he probably should have been given 242 00:09:45,940 --> 00:09:43,430 he got xanax and yeah and that's not 243 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:45,950 that's not your typical you know you 244 00:09:50,699 --> 00:09:47,570 don't just get xanax and your 245 00:09:54,790 --> 00:09:50,709 your-your-your being treated for bipolar 246 00:09:59,019 --> 00:09:54,800 so that that might be an issue there I 247 00:10:01,510 --> 00:09:59,029 do see signs and traits of autism and 248 00:10:05,620 --> 00:10:01,520 that gets into a whole nother realm of 249 00:10:09,460 --> 00:10:05,630 where it's a large issue it's a very 250 00:10:12,370 --> 00:10:09,470 large issue what are the signs socially 251 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:12,380 in that you know someone has difficulty 252 00:10:17,290 --> 00:10:15,650 grasping social cues of when to when 253 00:10:20,829 --> 00:10:17,300 when to be quiet when to say certain 254 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:20,839 things he was very quiet very domicile 255 00:10:26,050 --> 00:10:24,050 he never yelled that's why some of the 256 00:10:27,430 --> 00:10:26,060 pills that would say that he older he 257 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:27,440 was outside very friendly cordial 258 00:10:29,890 --> 00:10:28,970 sitting on his front porch drinking a 259 00:10:32,890 --> 00:10:29,900 beer waving to people 260 00:10:34,510 --> 00:10:32,900 no that wasn't petting if you found that 261 00:10:36,130 --> 00:10:34,520 fascinating listen to the entire 262 00:10:37,510 --> 00:10:36,140 interview at the hidden truth show